An NHNE Special Report
By NHNE SwiftWing Reporter Sherry Stultz
Saturday, July 18, 1998
Interviewed at the Crop Circle Celebration
The Spiral, Alton Barnes, Wiltshire at her booth...
Because I was having technical difficulty with my tape recorder, the first section of this interview is somewhat choppy, with quotes from Lucy and my commentary. The second section is the conversation as it was transcribed from my tape.
SJS: So how did you become involved in crop circle research?
LP: Really due to a healing experience that occurred in 1990 -- I'd been playing tennis the night before and I was due to fly from Thuxton. I was dismayed to find my shoulder was damaged when I went to brush my teeth. I flew over the pictogram in east field. It was unusual because it incorporated a totally new aspect to the phenomenon and it was memorable because it was finally getting people together... suddenly dissidents, prejudices and barriers were broken down during this formation.
I went into a simple circle to dowse for ying/yang and found a yang point. I sat down and I noticed a wonderful external energy rippling through my shoulder and to my total amazement I found it was healed.
Lucy told me that one of her current research projects was to bury sealed bottles filled with water in the formations and later dig them up to determine if any of the energy residues from the crop circle had homeopathic effects. She later sends them to scientists for analysis.
SJS: What kind of feedback do you try to get from these samples?
LP: Anomalies have been found between the control samples and in the samples buried in the circles.
SJS: What kind of anomalies?
LP: Dr. Cyril Smith tests them for resonances and found dramatic differences and Dr. Levengood tested for bacteria and found substantial increases in the bacteria counts in the samples buried in the crop versus the controls.
Dr. Jacques Benveniste tested them for the rate of heart beat and found substantial anomalies compared with the controls -- increased positivity.
Every year since 1993 I have done EEG & ESR tests outside the crop and inside the crop formation. The ESR monitors the autonomic nervous system. I have found substantial differences and a pull to the right side of the brain. Its particularly noticeable in men.
I was intrigued by some of the information Lucy had documented on abnormal post-menopausal and menstrual bleeding in women of all ages who had entered crop circle formations. Lucy believes that the pineal and pituitary gland may be affected and that the estrogen cycle is somehow disrupted.
In the week prior to our interview, Lucy took two folks into a formation below Windmill Hill for about one hour; one male in his early 50's and one woman 74 years old. They were tested at 12:30 PM that day; went into the formation for about one hour; retested at 4:30 PM and melatonin, which is controlled by the pineal gland, had increased in both male and female -- the male's thyroid, which was listed as below normal, read at normal. Preliminary hypothesis is that the pineal and pituitary glands are affected... which is why Lucy stressed the need for funding the study of low-frequency microwave radiation (which she believes it emitted from the circles), and how its affects the human endocrine system.
LP: Its also affected by the amount of people who visit the circle -- they soak it up like blotting paper... this is beyond human explanation and research needs to be done since we are bombarding the atmosphere with EMR (electro-magnetic radiation) from appliances like microwaves, TVs etc. what are the long-term effects of this bombardment on human beings... its an environmental concern -- and funding is essential.
SJS: What percentage of crop circles do you think are hoaxed?
LP: 5-10% are hoaxed.
SJS: This season?
LP: No, I have suspicions and ideas but I have no proof... because I didn't see them being made.
SJS: Have you ever seen a UFO? Do you think there is a connection between UFO's and crop circles?
LP: I am not really into UFO's and can't see what all the fuss is about. We have no proof one way or the other, but its certainly a possibility...
SJS: So did you think that crop circles could be residue from other dimensions?
LP: Well, yes. In my opinion there's another consciousness involved and another intelligence. Whether that intelligence is a materialization of our own subconscious... I think its very possibly an external intelligence.
SJS: Your sources of funding to date are?
LP: My photography and the aspects to which I turn my photography: postcards, mugs, pens, etc.
SJS: And is that keeping you afloat in terms of your research?
LP: No, absolutely not. Its quite desperate, really. It's in urgent need of funds.
SJS: Have you approached anyone as far as grants go?
LP: I simply don't have the time. I hardly have time to do what I am doing. I give a lot of lectures. I lectured at the Darwin Institute at Christ College Cambridge and I've travel widely giving lectures. I always hope that there will be somebody in the audience that will say, "This is in important work; we will fund you..." To put forward a proposal takes a long, long time. It takes a lot of work, and you've got to know the various people to approach. I am very wary of the big pharmaceutical companies, for instance.
SJS: With regard to your research into the endocrine system?
LP: In relation to crop circles, you're talking about subtle energies. They are more recognized in Russia than they are in the western world. And the big pharmaceutical companies see this sort of thing as a threat and very often they will take you on board with the sole purpose of ditching you.
LP: Absolutely. This is where you have to be terrifically careful. Someone said to me one time that they knew the chairman of one of the big ones, watch out. Don't go near it. You might be ditched and the whole crop circle phenomenon along with it.
SJS: So you're looking for probably a noncorporate sponsor?
LP: Yes, somebody who has absolutely no axe to grind. But who really is interested in pursuing a very real phenomenon, which is not generally recognized as such because we haven't as yet had enough funds to do enough testing to bring it into mainstream science. In order to bring it into credibility we need to test and retest and we don't have the resources. Jacque Benveniste and others have been doing it with me for love. But Jacque Benveniste said, "Well look, if we do it again, its normally 2000 pounds a test and I'll do it for 1000."
Thanks a lot, but I don't have that money. I mean its ridiculous... So this is it: you have to find people with no axe to grind, who are interested in my area, particularly the medical aspect and the environmental aspect.
SJS: What about the pesticides that they spray?
LP: That's a very good question. I have looked into organo-phosphates, because who's to say that somebody going into a formation who's having a bad effect isn't having it because of a recent spraying by the farmers? Of course we don't know if they have just recently sprayed unless you've actually seen them spraying the crop. So this is something I have to take into consideration as well.
SJS: It's a big concern for me; I have hesitant to go into many formations because I didn't want to be exposed to pesticides...
SJS: Lucy you are one of the few women I notice that research crop circles.
LP: Against all odds, you have no idea the problems I come up against. I have to be really dedicated to survive the problems I've incurred by a lot of the male fraternity. I won't mention any names, but they feel threatened by a woman.... it's still totally male dominated and...
SJS: Very male and very white, too. I noticed.
LP: Yes, but the people I work with are dedicated researchers. The dedicated researchers are the ones who will work with another dedicated researcher. It's the researchers who say they are dedicated but aren't that are the ones with whom I've had trouble. The ones who are concerned for their prestige and publicity and name and who are on big ego trips. The dedicated researchers are in it for research alone and I work with those. But I've had endless problems; in fact, many a time I thought I'd give up.
SJS: For example? I am just curious. I've worked in a field that's male dominated before... is it overt or...
LP: It can be both. It can be a very subtle, slightly underhanded innuendo, rumors going around, which come back to me... so certain people say to me, "We know you Lucy. We know this is not right." How can people do this? Its a rather sort of subtle, cowardly way of doing it. It's inverted bully-boy tactics and bully boys are cowards....
SJS: Are you saying that no one confronts you directly; that they just say things behind your back that get back to you?
LP: Mainly they are said behind my back. Occasionally they are more overt, but those I can deal with.
SJS: At least you'd know who is saying what and in what context.
LP: I had a lot of publicity last year; people who came to me and newspapers and there was a very snide article written in one of the magazines about how obviously I was seeking publicity and this and that. I was particularly criticized in a mass media tabloid called THE PEOPLE who had run the Doug and Dave story in 1991. They had seen an article of mine that I'd done for THE MAIL on Sunday which was magnificent. They asked me if they could use some of my photographs and initially I said no, and then I went to talk with a very wise woman of eighty two who'd been one of the pioneers of the new thinking with George Travelian and she said, "You know Lucy; you're quite wrong. You're always saying it's important to get this phenomena out to the masses and the photographs can tell an awful lot. It's a very visual phenomena. This is the ideal outlet. Its a mass tabloid. It will get out to everybody. You're quite wrong in saying no." So when they came back to me I said yes, OK, I've done a rethink and you can do it (use the photos). I was heavily criticized for that by a lot of the men in the cereological world, but I was criticized for everything.
SJS: You can do no right?
LP: To the ones who are not genuine researchers, but who make believe they are, they have time. A genuine researcher does not have time.
SJS: To gossip?
LP: To gossip and do these stupid tactics. They are dedicated to their research. They don't go around making trouble.
SJS: I was curious about that.
LP: This has been my experience.
SJS: Well, your experience is going to be a little bit different because you are one of the few females that does this.
SJS: I find the social aspect of this quite fascinating.
LP: Well I find it fascinating, too, because obviously in my research I am looking into the psychological aspect and I have found that men are far worse affected by this simply because of the activation of the right cortex of the brain. Now that is the emotional side and men are brought up mainly to conceal their emotions. We are allowed to cry and lose our temper and scream occasionally, so we can deal with our emotions and we are not frightened by emotions; we recognize and were aware of them. Men are have always been encouraged to cover up their emotions and this is a problem for them. And they go into the crop circles and suddenly wham! This great knock on their emotional side and some of them, it sends them absolutely off-beam. They can't cope with this terrific emotional release. It's very interesting. I can look at this phenomenon from a psychological aspect and I find that helps me. If I can look at this and stand back from a distance from an object point of view, that actually helps me a lot. Takes a bit of the personal sting out of it.
SJS: How much longer are you going to do this?
LP: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe forever. Maybe give it up tomorrow.
SJS: What would make you quit?
LP: Some other direction in life which was equally worthwhile.
SJS: I like that. Good answer.
Lucy sells photographs of crop circles to augment her research. The photos displayed are examples of her work:
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An NHNE Special Report
By NHNE SwiftWing Reporter Sherry Stultz